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by Matthew Preusch The Oregonian The California-based
Northcoast Environmental Center
said the
Klamath Basin Restoration Agreement
would threaten salmon and other fish and the basin and won't
speed the removal of four dams on the Klamath River, which
the center supports. The agreement, they said, doesn't do
enough to ensure flows for fish runs while guaranteeing
water deliveries to farms that rely on irrigation water
diverted from the river. "We understand and sympathize with the
plight of upriver farmers, who need water for their Two other environmental groups,
Oregon
Wild and
WaterWatch, have already come out
against the agreement, as has the
Hoopa
Valley Tribe in California and
some upper basin irrigators. The settlement was crafted over three
years by a coalition of 26 groups representing government,
farming, fishing, tribal and conservation interests. It was
released in draft form last year, hailed as a way to end
long-running disputes over water and resources in the basin
that straddles the Oregon and California border. But it would require enough political
support to wring nearly $1 billion in funding from Congress
to move forward, so any dissolution of the negotiation group
threatens its success. -- Matthew Preusch;
mattpreusch@news.oregonian.com Buyout time, I'm afraid... we've
been attempting to support the status quo long past
the time the quo has lost its status (thank you Dr.
Laurence Peter). As someone who now lives in
Hillsboro, but raised on a farm south of Klamath, i
can tell you that it is not all a wildlife refuge.
There is the Tulelake wildlife refuge located just
south of the Oregon/California border The area receives about 14 inches
of rain a year. Actually get quite a bit of snow in
the winter, as its around 4,000 feet up. The Klamath Irrigation District
started in the early 1900's. There is some good info
on this page. Not interested in arguing about
this at all. Just wanted to provide some background
sources for those that may be interested. Much of
the land was actually marshland or shallow lake that
was eventually drained. I think there is a bit of an idea
that Klamath Falls is something like Burns or
somewhere out in Eastern Oregon, heh, being mainly
populated by sagebrush (no offense intended to those
folks). Its basically a high mountain valley, and
since it was home for me, quite beautiful.
My mistake, here is a more
complete listing of refuges in the area (knew i
missed something...) Just throwing these out there for
people who are interested. To be honest I havent
kept up on things down there for quite awhile, and
just happened to come across this article.
Saving animals from extinction
is anti-evolutionary. You're right saving salmon (and
other species that make living for humans possible),
is a terrible idea:
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/cheney/chapters/leaving_no_tracks/ People in Klamath Basin should be
introduced to dry land farming. Better yet, stop
growing Christmas trees on "hobby farms" in the
valley and start producing more crops crops of
nutritional value. I didn't say wildlife management
was a terrible idea. I said it was anti
evolutionary. To afford a single species such
massive support at the cost of many others (people,
sea lions) just doesn't allow nature to flow. If
salmon go extinct, something else will take their
place. On Earth Day 1970 the exspurts
were fantasizing the planet would be dead in 30
years. We still have stupid and arrogant
running the freakshow of enviro-inbreds that bring
no balance to anything. No facts to support it, just
too close between the eyes to have any common sense
about it. wadahoot: You might want to read the 30 year
update to Limits to Growth. With more powerful computer
modelling and better data, what you'll see is that
the only thing the systems scientists got wrong was
the timeline. Bottom line is that the earth is
beyond carrying capacity already with respect to
resource stocks (and sinks) -which is one of the
difficulties illustrated by the Klamath Basin
dispute. If salmon go extinct, something
else will take their place. You're under the assumption that
salmon extinction is "natural". Whatever takes
salmon's place in the wild better learn to jump a
dam and swim on dry land -- which you're also
assuming that evolution will take care of. Me wanting to preserve
salmon/other fish has more to do with economies
(fisherman/fishing towns) and nourishment (salmon is
a great food source) rather than protecting the
environment (although, that is a large part of my
stance). Why let "evolution" take care of things
when we can preserve something that benefits the
human species? wadahoot: You're an exspurt (sic)
speller! It's good that you go on a limb and
criticize the intelligence of others without
questioning your own. (Usually I don't make fun of
bad spelling, but you didn't even ballpark the
spelling of that word). It's funny how the computer models
always seem to support the ideas of those who make
them. Just because it's a computer model
doesn't mean that it is necessarily correct in it's
forcasts. The dinosaurs in Jurassic Park
were computer models too. But they are definitely
not real. If you really think so, feel free
to decrease the load anytime. Again, jexpat, proves living in a
fake world is just that a fake. Most "model
projects" leave out many contributing factors to
prove the goal they seek. The biggest joke in the
world is Gores lies about "global warming", where
the only place all the things he says are proven are
in "model projects" but out where nature throws in
other factors that are not controlled his stupid
make money global warming is a hoak. It never ceases
to amaze me that so many fake blogs are taken as
being the only reliable source and when a true
scientist that use nature, not model projects, to
prove their points, basement dwellers like jexpat
call them radicals. Yeah. global warming, science,
spelling. It's all a hoak! i dont need to read any
of the stuff to know that! And we should be able to farm
potatoes in the desert or anywhere we want.
Your right del, we shouldn't waste
time trying to save salmon. but evilution is a hoak
just like global warming! its our planet, its our water, and
its our fish, and its our dams! not stoopid al gores
or the fish hugging liberalheads! Im proud to be a teabagger. Stop
Socilism! Secession now! Environmental group pulls
out of Klamath talks
A dry
irrigation ditch in the Klamath Basin in
2001
crops," said Greg King, the NEC's Klamath campaign
coordinator. "The farmers require
water to avoid dry fields. But the salmon need that same
water to avoid extinction."Comments
resistol says...
Feelinducky7 says...
http://www.fws.gov/klamathbasinrefuges/tulelake/tulelake.html
http://www.usbr.gov/dataweb/html/klamathh.html#Construction%20HistoryFeelinducky7 says...
http://www.fws.gov/klamathbasinrefuges/debaser12 says...
deltakilo says...
Nature is cyclical and it's foolish to think there
is a 'Status Quo' that 'now' is what's always been.
wadahoot says...
Mankind(scratch mankind); PATHETIC WORM-BRAIN
POLITICIANS stupidly and arrogantly overestimate
what impact we have on the planet...jexpat says...
debaser12 says...
schmuck283 says...
With more powerful computer
modelling and better data, what you'll see is
that the only thing the systems scientists got
wrong was the timeline.
Bottom line is that the earth
is beyond carrying capacity already with respect
to resource stocks (and sinks) -which is one of
the difficulties illustrated by the Klamath
Basin dispute.
john1945 says...
john1995 says...
john1995 says...
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croucier says...
As I recall the area is a wildlife refuge, gets almost no rain...and that's the best place for farming to be happening? There's a ton of land where farming is appropriate, but industrial agriculture on the wildlife refuge that threatens to push that run of salmon into extinction. We should be able to do better.